I remember watching the original WKRP show you referred to (never before laughed so hard in my entire life), but as I recall it, they were frozen turkeys, which in some ways seems even funnier, and in others, not so much!
They were NOT frozen. And thus the classic final line which I was going to fault Eric for not mentioning: « As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly! »
Fun read--thanks for saving me time with the Amazon show. Have you seen the Paul Simon two-part doc that's on there now? Half of it is really great--the other half, not so great.
Thinking about this question philosophically, let’s first try to understand: What is mathematics? While there is no conventional definition of the word, according to the traditional context, mathematics is simply an abstract system with which to analyse anything that follows a set of rules.
Thinking about it historically, looking at how we had developed this set of rules as human beings, different societies each came up with the same rules as each other, at similar times. Ancient civilisations - Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, etc. had all developed systems of mathematics which discovered different things, but the mutual things they did discover, they had mostly agreed on. While their representations may not have been identical, the concepts were the same.
Even looking at more recent history, the development of Calculus cannot even be attributed to one individual - Newton and Leibniz are both treated as having independently discovered this then-new system of mathematics.
Using this line of thought, we can say that there may be things that they understand that we don’t, and similarly in the other direction, and our notations for mutually understood ideas may not be the same, but living within the same universe, which follows the same natural laws, which can be obtained using the same logic, our laws of mathematics are most likely to be the same as the alien civilisation’s.
Edit: I have been asked to elaborate on whether an alien civilisation would necessarily use ten digits - 0 through 9. Absolutely not. There is nothing sacred about 0 through 9. A computer uses 0 or 1, better known as Binary. The Babylonians used a picture representation for 0 to 59.
For a more abstract example that cannot be used for a full basis of arithmetic, but to be stated purely as food for thought: 24 hour time is in 60 minutes and 60 seconds. The calendar has 365 days per year, 366 in years that are multiples of 4, 365 in multiples of 100, and 366 in multiples of 400.
What do each of these systems have in common? For the ones that we can use as a full basis of arithmetic, each place has a 0, and they all have same count. We use a 10 digit system because some of our ancestors decided to do so because we have 10 fingers, which we just so happen to call our digits, and it just stuck. An alien civilisation may not have a number system exactly like ours, but they would most definitely have a number system, which would most likely be able to do the same things as ours.
You know, Eric, the second most documented UFO siting was in 1950 in McMinnville, OR where Jim lives. I have been to the amazing UFO parade several years ago. I don’t know if they still have one.
Eric... I've been good friends with Bryce Zabel 46 years and counting. He demonstrates smarts, informed creativity and superior communication skills. Bryce makes a credible case for visitation by aliens and government cover-up. At a minimum, Bryce crusades for his vision of the truth and keeps the discussion alive. I follow his work closely and can't wait for any book he may be writing.
From your description I won't get much more from The Age of Disclosure than a rehash of Bryce's earlier work. So, I'll pass and focus on chasing down the turkey episode of WKRP in Cincinnati. I believe THAT will be more entertaining by far.
Mark, Eric is being way overly dismissive here. I absolutely positively do think you should watch this. Maybe wait a month for it to be offered as part of a streaming package instead of buying it, but watch it as soon as you can.
I didn't mean to discount all the good work you and others have done to examine UFO/UAP history and the government's coverup of what they've found. I'm just saying there's nothing new in this documentary. People unfamiliar with the subject may indeed find it astounding. As for me, I'm waiting for your book.
I remember watching the original WKRP show you referred to (never before laughed so hard in my entire life), but as I recall it, they were frozen turkeys, which in some ways seems even funnier, and in others, not so much!
They were NOT frozen. And thus the classic final line which I was going to fault Eric for not mentioning: « As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly! »
TV was so great in those days, after you adjusted the rabbit ears! WKRP was created by Hugh Wilson, a Gator.
Well, everything in Cincinnati is pretty much frozen this time of year, isn’t it?
Fun read--thanks for saving me time with the Amazon show. Have you seen the Paul Simon two-part doc that's on there now? Half of it is really great--the other half, not so great.
I have it on my list!
Which half? Same was true of the Steve Martin documentary
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Thinking about this question philosophically, let’s first try to understand: What is mathematics? While there is no conventional definition of the word, according to the traditional context, mathematics is simply an abstract system with which to analyse anything that follows a set of rules.
Thinking about it historically, looking at how we had developed this set of rules as human beings, different societies each came up with the same rules as each other, at similar times. Ancient civilisations - Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, etc. had all developed systems of mathematics which discovered different things, but the mutual things they did discover, they had mostly agreed on. While their representations may not have been identical, the concepts were the same.
Even looking at more recent history, the development of Calculus cannot even be attributed to one individual - Newton and Leibniz are both treated as having independently discovered this then-new system of mathematics.
Using this line of thought, we can say that there may be things that they understand that we don’t, and similarly in the other direction, and our notations for mutually understood ideas may not be the same, but living within the same universe, which follows the same natural laws, which can be obtained using the same logic, our laws of mathematics are most likely to be the same as the alien civilisation’s.
Edit: I have been asked to elaborate on whether an alien civilisation would necessarily use ten digits - 0 through 9. Absolutely not. There is nothing sacred about 0 through 9. A computer uses 0 or 1, better known as Binary. The Babylonians used a picture representation for 0 to 59.
For a more abstract example that cannot be used for a full basis of arithmetic, but to be stated purely as food for thought: 24 hour time is in 60 minutes and 60 seconds. The calendar has 365 days per year, 366 in years that are multiples of 4, 365 in multiples of 100, and 366 in multiples of 400.
What do each of these systems have in common? For the ones that we can use as a full basis of arithmetic, each place has a 0, and they all have same count. We use a 10 digit system because some of our ancestors decided to do so because we have 10 fingers, which we just so happen to call our digits, and it just stuck. An alien civilisation may not have a number system exactly like ours, but they would most definitely have a number system, which would most likely be able to do the same things as ours.
Sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this, Suman, but I'm not sure what it has to do with my post.
You know, Eric, the second most documented UFO siting was in 1950 in McMinnville, OR where Jim lives. I have been to the amazing UFO parade several years ago. I don’t know if they still have one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMinnville_UFO_photographs
Yes, I've heard that. (Bryce is from OR too.) I'm waiting for Jim to weigh in here. You don't think he's been abducted, do you?
Jim confirmed they still have the parade in May.
Eric... I've been good friends with Bryce Zabel 46 years and counting. He demonstrates smarts, informed creativity and superior communication skills. Bryce makes a credible case for visitation by aliens and government cover-up. At a minimum, Bryce crusades for his vision of the truth and keeps the discussion alive. I follow his work closely and can't wait for any book he may be writing.
From your description I won't get much more from The Age of Disclosure than a rehash of Bryce's earlier work. So, I'll pass and focus on chasing down the turkey episode of WKRP in Cincinnati. I believe THAT will be more entertaining by far.
Cheaper too!
Exactly right!
Have a great Thanksgiving.
-Mark
Thanks, Mark. You too!
Mark, Eric is being way overly dismissive here. I absolutely positively do think you should watch this. Maybe wait a month for it to be offered as part of a streaming package instead of buying it, but watch it as soon as you can.
Good advice, Bryce. I'll watch it amd keep my skepticism at full-burn.
I didn't mean to discount all the good work you and others have done to examine UFO/UAP history and the government's coverup of what they've found. I'm just saying there's nothing new in this documentary. People unfamiliar with the subject may indeed find it astounding. As for me, I'm waiting for your book.
Fair enough.